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On the Rise These Days?

I just walked out of a debate with someone.  I walked out when they began making up facts.  I am not sure how you are supposed to have an honest debate with someone who makes up facts.

So far as I can see, if someone is making up facts, then all you can have is an argument.  Not a debate, but an argument.

I thought about staying to refute their so called facts, but decided my time was worth more than that.  For one thing, they can make up facts faster than I can refute them.  And besides, I don’t enjoy arguing with people I believe to be irrational.  It’s like trying to get a conversation out of a potato.

The trouble is, it seems to me people making up facts is happening more and more these days.  So, is it really on the rise?  Is it really happening more often now than it happened, say, ten or twenty years ago?  What’s your impression?

And if it is on the rise, why is it on the rise?  Where is it coming from?

17 thoughts on “On the Rise These Days?”

  1. I believe it is on the rise. With more information out there than ever before, people have trouble keeping up with it all. Another factor is the “dumbing down” of America. Those two factors keep on chasing one another in a vicious cycle. People’s world views narrow until information inconsistent with the world views becomes intolerable, so unsought and even avoided. This lays people open to receive both truth and lies, so long as the information fits their view of things. The bravado of the lies has taken me aback at times. Consider Sarah Palin’s “death panels” accusations. When I emailed a friend saying there were no death panels in Obama’s health care proposal, she laughed. She really thought I was sending her a joke. Then, she wanted to know how I could be sure. I told her I had read every page of the proposed bill. (I really had, although I confess I did not read it in its final form). Still didn’t sway her, though.


  2. would certainly seem to suggest that this is happening regularly on the political stage. And once you’ve heard someone state a lie, it seems to become a “fact” because somebody who is somebody said it. So it must be a fact.


  3. It’s all the fault of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes and FauxNews and their pack of right wing wombats.

    Even numbers of Senators and Congresspeople have taken to liberally lying at all moments, with no regard that almost everything is documented these days and they can always be called out.

    However, American media is corporate-owned and has been lax and indulgent in allowing these liars to go unchallenged.

    Please take note that if two unholy Teabaggers stage something, it gets instant and constant coverage.

    Take note that corporate-owned American media has ignored for days the demonstrations of tens of thousands in Madison, Wisconsin in regard to the dictatorial attempts of the stupidly elected Scott Walker (or, Guv Wanker as he is more popularly known in leftist circles) to destroy labor unions and the power of public employees to collectively bargain.


    1. “Faux News”– the first time I’ve run across this pun. I love it! And if you originated it, you need to start your own blog.


  4. FauxNews has now twisted U.S. courts around so that:
    The Media Can Legally Lie

    “In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

    “Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. …”


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